tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post1563742870136535176..comments2023-08-16T12:07:22.995+00:00Comments on The Daily (Maybe): Debating climate change with idiotsJim Jeppshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-22495704404502941472009-12-12T19:28:03.823+00:002009-12-12T19:28:03.823+00:00Thanks for the Total Politics link, interesting. I...Thanks for the Total Politics link, interesting. I think it depends what she thought the debate was. Debating a Tory on climate change is fine - I'm all for debating different views, but she may not have known that she would up against someone who was such an out and out denier.<br /><br />I do know she's refused to debate Munkton, again quite correctly I think, because she wasn't going to give his views legitimacy they just do not deserve.<br /><br />Part of the tactic is to put pressure on the Beeb et al to host real debates on climate not these staged farces with anti-science loons. It certainly does work in the long run although you have to put up with LD's making your case for in the short term sometimes.<br /><br />That's one of the reasons I really respect Peter for this decision because he is sacrificing something in order to stick to his principles.<br /><br />That does not mean we shouldn't re-assess no platform but in these particular examples I'm convinced these were the right decisions.Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-48514212851660414202009-12-12T18:31:27.134+00:002009-12-12T18:31:27.134+00:00I'm not sure what I think about this, I can re...I'm not sure what I think about this, I can really see the merits of both sides of the 'no platform' debate.<br /><br />But just to play devil's advocate...<br /><br />Wouldn't it have been better if Peter Cranie had wiped the floor with Griffin rather than the 'happless' Lib Dem guy not doing that well?<br /><br />It's a shame that the beeb give people like Griffin airtime but when they've already taken the decision that they will wouldn't it be better to debate them?<br /><br />What do you think of Caroline Lucas debating Roger Helmer in Total Politcs (http://www.totalpolitics.com/magazine_detail.php?id=649)?Simon13https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857443364456335410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-1102128039428811432009-12-10T19:30:40.513+00:002009-12-10T19:30:40.513+00:00Quite agree, Jim. Up at City Hall a couple of us h...Quite agree, Jim. Up at City Hall a couple of us have been pondering - what do you do when you have to share a platform with the BNP?<br /><br /><a href="http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/12/10/should-we-laugh-at-the-bnp" rel="nofollow">http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/12/10/should-we-laugh-at-the-bnp</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14337784181942482541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-55910335157745992732009-12-10T19:29:55.071+00:002009-12-10T19:29:55.071+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14337784181942482541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-28769209880615683652009-12-10T12:23:40.490+00:002009-12-10T12:23:40.490+00:00Appalling, the Beeb has lost all editorial common ...Appalling, the Beeb has lost all editorial common sense when it comes to the BNP.ModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-73104541122590244532009-12-10T11:04:25.771+00:002009-12-10T11:04:25.771+00:00If we are trying to:
1. Convince the public to su...<b>If</b> we are trying to:<br /><br />1. Convince the public to support measures to combat man-made climate change,<br />2. Pressurise politicians into bringing in such measures,<br />and 3. Invite sceptics/deniers to support these measures even if they don't support the science,<br /><br /><b>Then</b> we should try to avoid debating the science (let's leave that to the scientists). <br /><br />Instead we should be talking about the precautionary principle: if it seems likely or even reasonably possible that catastrophic climate change is round the corner and that we can do something about it, let us act. <br /><br />Let us act in a way that would be good for us and the planet anyway. If MMCC turns out to be a myth, no harm has been done.<br /><br />People don't have to be convinced by the science in order to support action against MMCC.<br /><br />And we should remember to talk about the many other aspects of sustainability, all of which make it necessary for us to reduce our exploitation of the planet.<br /><br />www.greenstalbans.blogspot.comSimon Groverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03281860427374889846noreply@blogger.com