tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post6828355965371724760..comments2023-08-16T12:07:22.995+00:00Comments on The Daily (Maybe): A look at the online Deputy Leadership electionJim Jeppshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-88997601156220817142010-08-20T21:49:18.573+00:002010-08-20T21:49:18.573+00:00Indeed Red Green Nick. I agree. It also needs to t...Indeed Red Green Nick. I agree. It also needs to take some power and influence away from my region, (Eastern) and Brighton, which I think hold too much attention of our party, to the detriment of the rest of the country. Derek will be advocating this point no doubt.Adam Pogonowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-28046988637583530112010-08-20T19:27:32.492+00:002010-08-20T19:27:32.492+00:00Derek has considerable support in his old stomping...Derek has considerable support in his old stomping ground of the South West,with a recent endorsment from Roger C-O of the Cornish Green Party now on his election blog.<br />I feel the party needs to do more to support GPEX and GPRC members financially, as to open the positions out to those who can't afford to stand.Red Green Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09276164119703619629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-48236749058349628292010-08-19T18:31:58.186+00:002010-08-19T18:31:58.186+00:00'I'm not supporting either candidate until...'I'm not supporting either candidate until after the conference hustings and I don't think this piece is biased.' <br /><br />My apologies. From memory I had thought you had stated support for Adrian on Twitter. My earlier comment was dependent on my (bad) memory and not from any perceived bias in this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-77586479879260038222010-08-19T16:40:47.291+00:002010-08-19T16:40:47.291+00:00And sorry, if you REALLY want me to explain where ...And sorry, if you REALLY want me to explain where I perceive bias, it is primarily in the article analysis section, and the ensuing comments. The method of conducting that comparison and the concomitant comments do not appear objective.<br /><br />If you want me to explain more, then I shall. I'm off out to East Area Committee now, so got to dash!Adam Pogonowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-44086691133262445602010-08-19T16:38:43.474+00:002010-08-19T16:38:43.474+00:00Hey Jim. It's just some of the digs you have m...Hey Jim. It's just some of the digs you have made seem a little non-objective. And as a well-established green, you cannot possibly be fully objective re. this debate anyway.<br /><br />But that doesn't matter. <br /><br />You also misstated the number of Cllr. support. Derek has 3, not 2!Adam Pogonowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-26699507993188804772010-08-19T15:56:35.547+00:002010-08-19T15:56:35.547+00:00James: that's certainly a reasonable way of l...James: that's certainly a reasonable way of looking at it - although I guess I'd argue the establishment is *politically* broader than GL, although perhaps not structurally broader - which is an interesting dynamic.<br /><br />I genuinely keep coming across people who hate the joint ticket aspect of Adrian/Caroline's candidacy (which as I've said before I don't). I was drinking last night with a green who'd voted ron saying he would have voted Adrian were it not for the slate.<br /><br />Candidates in future elections might be wise to bear in mind this does not go down well. Whether it's decisive or not, we shall see. <br /><br />Nishma: I wanted to be careful about only comparing reasonably objective areas, which meant outside of the fact that AR/CL's videos are more numerous and more recent I felt if I'd compared, for example, presentational styles it would inevitably feel personal about the candidates and I didn't want to go there. <br /><br />However, I'm not saying that's not important, only that I didn't want to start making personal remarks about the candidates. So I'm more than happy for people to discuss them, as it's both interesting and relevant!<br /><br />I do think Derek would be wise to record a specific video for this election and I've offered to tape and edit it for him in the interests of a more informed election. I'm hoping he'll get time to take me up on that.Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-55861111291814136072010-08-19T15:07:36.400+00:002010-08-19T15:07:36.400+00:00It's a shame you didn't compare the videos...It's a shame you didn't compare the videos on each site, Jim. <br /><br />Purely on a comparative level (though I'm sure Adam P would disagree), I thought I might expand.<br /><br />Both Derek and Adrian have a similar amount of videos (largely from YouTube), with Adrian's clearly having more with Caroline Lucas' as well.<br /><br />However, it seems Adrian's are much more clean cut and better presented, even the one which he filmed for the elections:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/l8EfEoofPlM<br /><br />In this case, the background noise is irksome and the lighting perhaps a little too grey, but Adrian comes through and his point is made. (All are here:http://sites.google.com/site/lucasramsay2010/videos)<br /><br />Comparing this to Derek's first video, (all found here: http://derekfordeputy.blogspot.com/p/video.html) it's almost painful to watch. Outside Westminster, the noise is purely background, with subtitles scrolling across the bottom so you know what Derek is talking about.<br /><br />It is a shame that Derek chose the videos that he did, as there are much better ones of him on YouTube, but these are of him as Principal Speaker. <br /><br />Whatever the case, no-one can deny that in terms of the choice of digital media and the way in which both men come across, Adrian's far outstrip Derek's.Nishmahttp://acaciathorns.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-746798998089513402010-08-19T13:44:11.493+00:002010-08-19T13:44:11.493+00:00Jim, All I would say is that Adrian and Caroline h...Jim, All I would say is that Adrian and Caroline have the establishment of the party behind them. I wouldn't say that is necessarily a boarder base of support, and it is as clearly defined as the Left and Green Left.<br />I would say that that has put a lot of members off voting for Adrian as there seems to be this desperation to make sure everyone gets behind the leadership and anyone suggesting otherwise should be silenced.<br />All the arguments in favour of Adrian and Caroline are saying how wonderfully they have nurtured the party over the past two years. Well, erm yeah I suppose they have done a good job. That is no reason to say someone else wouldn't have done an equally good job. I admire both Adrian and Caroline and think they have given immense energy and dedication for the party but I am not going to go round saying better the devil you know, which seems to be their rhetoric... If Caroline is so keen on pluralism and working across political divides in the media, why does it seem she is paranoid enough to make sure everything in the leadership elections goes her way? I also contend with your suggestion that Lucas/Ramsay campaign online is better than Derek's. Well when you have all the party machinery working on their campaign and a small dedicated group on Derek's then I think they have actually done fairly poorly.<br />All the best JamesJames Youdhttp://derekfordeputy.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-12258101594377221672010-08-17T23:32:12.060+00:002010-08-17T23:32:12.060+00:00Actually Adam that's not quite right - the rea...Actually Adam that's not quite right - the reason I couldn't do a person by person analysis is that you can't view Derek's fans in one go *but* having viewed the site a number of times I knew that if I pressed refresh I get a different selection each time - I only had to do that half a dozen more times to get a decent snap shot of who were members - but I was clear in the post that it was not a scientific sample.<br /><br />It does not reflect well on you at all Adam to have the immediate knee jerk response of "you haven't glanced at that at all" when I have and, by leafing through the members got a clear impression that looks pretty consistent with the endorsements on Derek's campaign site. Try it for yourself.<br /><br />Do you disagree with my findings on the membership of the groups that "Adrian has broader support in the party and Derek a clearer left constituency with more non-party members as fans"? Do you think Derek has broader support? or does Adrian has more support outside the party than Derek?<br /><br />I don't see what's biased about that seeing as it's blindingly obvious to anyone with a passing knowledge of the names of people on the left and in the Green Party.<br /><br />I'm not supporting either candidate until after the conference hustings and I don't think this piece is biased. I've made complements and criticisms of both online campaigns and have essentially reported what I've seen.<br /><br />Derek's online campaign is not as strong as Adrian's, it's true, but reporting that fact is not biased even if you find it inconvenient. improve the online campaign and I will report that.<br /><br />If you want to show me anything that's wrong please do and I can either explain it (like with the fb fans) or correct the article.Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-14612631256777940172010-08-17T22:09:31.556+00:002010-08-17T22:09:31.556+00:00But Jim is supporting Adrian isn't he Adam?But Jim is supporting Adrian isn't he Adam?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-7917658060974630332010-08-17T21:53:05.245+00:002010-08-17T21:53:05.245+00:00You can't view the members' of Derek's...You can't view the members' of Derek's group in full, so you haven't glanced at that at all.<br /><br />Sorry Jim, but this piece comes across as fairly biased in one camp's favour for my money.Adam Pogonowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-34020662889780079632010-08-17T19:07:12.054+00:002010-08-17T19:07:12.054+00:00Tut tut Jim! I can't believe you didn't d...Tut tut Jim! I can't believe you didn't do a person by person analysis ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-40711050900986090332010-08-17T15:53:15.478+00:002010-08-17T15:53:15.478+00:00That's a good point that some people will be m...That's a good point that some people will be members of both without necessarily backing both - at a glance I didn't notice any surprises but I can't say I did a person by person analysis of who was in which group!Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-70345317019846272682010-08-17T12:49:40.835+00:002010-08-17T12:49:40.835+00:00Interesting post, thanks for writing it.
Re. the ...Interesting post, thanks for writing it.<br /><br />Re. the FB groups - I belong to both but am supporting Derek Wall only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com