tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post637580077471968300..comments2023-08-16T12:07:22.995+00:00Comments on The Daily (Maybe): AV reform updateJim Jeppshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-31728704046455990102010-11-09T15:01:58.373+00:002010-11-09T15:01:58.373+00:00The anti-AV campaign seems very weak and may even ...The anti-AV campaign seems very weak and may even persuade the likes of Jim and myself to reconsider!Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-60408505948828941122010-11-05T21:39:28.654+00:002010-11-05T21:39:28.654+00:00Cathryn: you'll have to speak to her to get he...Cathryn: you'll have to speak to her to get her full reasons!<br /><br />Dave: you say "It gets rid of a lot of safe seats" and I'd like to query that specific point. How many safe seats would it have got rid of at the last election? My understanding is that some marginals would have gone different ways but all the safe seats would have had the same results - do you have research that says otherwise?Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-18340250467315561042010-11-04T19:50:51.252+00:002010-11-04T19:50:51.252+00:00"The creatures outside [Greens] looked from p..."The creatures outside [Greens] looked from pig [Lab] to man [Condem], and from man [Condem] to pig [Lab], and from pig [Lab] to man [ConDem] again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." - Animal Farm, George Orwellweggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651722712995395981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-59327389385575085972010-11-04T19:14:38.845+00:002010-11-04T19:14:38.845+00:00In all honesty neither AV or FPTP are desirable sy...In all honesty neither AV or FPTP are desirable systems. Based on article in Independent today Cameron & Clegg are already working on a deal to ensure that they stitch up 1/2 votes, in an attempt to prevent any progressive government/coalition in the future.<br />AV only seems to benefit those parties who make it through to the final rounds in a constituency, and I'm yet to be convinced that AV would necessarily benefit the Green Party. Assuming Labour and perhaps a few genuine liberal voters gave the Greens their second preference votes would that be enough to reach the later rounds in a constituency ?<br />Brighton Pavilion was won under FPTP, has any analysis been done to see how many constituencies would become winnable under AV ?<br />Of course by 2015 Clegg and co make have joined the Consrvatives, and be given safe Tory seats ,the Lib Dems will have imploded and the Greens may have become the alternative third force in politics in Britain. ( I can hope !)Paul Jeaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-64999242459469627822010-11-04T18:04:01.681+00:002010-11-04T18:04:01.681+00:00Dave you are a blatant lib dem. Nick is a tosser a...Dave you are a blatant lib dem. Nick is a tosser and he's traded away tuition fees, slow deficit reduction and any ounce of credibility for this non-reform. It will only benefit the Lib Dems and I, for one, will vote noWillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-11313169099879651432010-11-03T23:53:31.166+00:002010-11-03T23:53:31.166+00:00ps don't shoot yourself in the foot by voting ...ps don't shoot yourself in the foot by voting no even if you think Nick is a tossser. Even tossers have good ideas now and again and this is one of those ideas. It is better for us and not so good for them (MPs) so lets get behind the people and stop doing the multimillionares jobs for them. Join yestofairervotes.org and poke the rich self centered arses in the eyeDave Thawleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398594791247047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-59981507808608855192010-11-03T23:49:04.503+00:002010-11-03T23:49:04.503+00:00AV is better that FPTP. You dont have to vote for ...AV is better that FPTP. You dont have to vote for the people you want to piss on by the way - just those who you want or don't mind. It gets rid of a lot of safe seats and will make the MPs do more to support their population - it is'nt STV but it is far better than FPTP which is past its sell by date. Anyone who wants a better democracy needs to vote yes next year. Anyone who wants more of the same needs locking up (but would be better off voting for FPTP of they want to keep the millionares in power )Dave Thawleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398594791247047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-58348591052198395352010-11-03T22:40:36.615+00:002010-11-03T22:40:36.615+00:00Very disappointed that Caroline voted against this...Very disappointed that Caroline voted against this, though pleased it got through. I'd hoped there was a bit more to her opposition to it than what you've outlined here.<br /><br />AV is the only reform in town, and its better than FPTP. <br /><br />If my electorate had been under AV last time, I would probably have got my second choice, an MP I have quite a lot of time for. I would have been happy with that result. If my vote lands on someone I would tolerate at a push, and helps them win over someone I like even less, then that's a result, and a better one than I'd see now, where my Green vote is just thrown away.<br /><br />It's hard to get worked up about electoral reform, but even this little one would surely make a difference in the strength of the mandate a government has. It's sad to see the Green's so uninterested.Cathrynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10042504738729620870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-8654913017390695572010-11-03T21:35:20.350+00:002010-11-03T21:35:20.350+00:00Rick: that's the traditional view - I rather l...Rick: that's the traditional view - I rather like the new take on the poster.<br /><br />Anon - no-one is forcing you to have a second choice, or a first one come to that. Obviously most people aren't dogmatic tribalists and will choose to exercise second, third, fourth preferences where appropriate.Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-59874757007884061802010-11-03T21:29:19.492+00:002010-11-03T21:29:19.492+00:00So how is that going to make me have a second choi...So how is that going to make me have a second choice?<br /><br />I will not be voting for a party I do not want to see in power, as a second third or fourth choice. I will vote once - for the party I do want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-66836377143343606432010-11-03T20:54:06.349+00:002010-11-03T20:54:06.349+00:00Controversially I would suggest list items 4 and 5...Controversially I would suggest list items 4 and 5 are in the wrong order, pissing on an alight person is nicer than leaving them to burn.RickBhttp://www.tenpercent.org.uk/noreply@blogger.com