tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post29137661855888830..comments2023-08-16T12:07:22.995+00:00Comments on The Daily (Maybe): Only the Lib Dems can win any Euro seats at allJim Jeppshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-54983608245240682692009-06-02T09:52:19.827+00:002009-06-02T09:52:19.827+00:00Sure thing Joe - I know the feelingSure thing Joe - I know the feelingJim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-79397292803653469592009-06-02T09:33:10.101+00:002009-06-02T09:33:10.101+00:00No idea Jim, it's all a long way from me. All I wa...No idea Jim, it's all a long way from me. All I was trying to say was, on the basis of what I heard, this was never one of our regular leaflets which are seen by the relevant people and printed in 1000s.Joe Ottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380362092159905533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-12495287261628571762009-06-02T09:32:56.472+00:002009-06-02T09:32:56.472+00:00Another (non-green) blogger on the Lib Dem maths i...Another (non-green) blogger on the Lib Dem maths in the Eastern region<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.peter-ould.net/2009/05/26/is-this-a-straight-forward-lie/" REL="nofollow">here</A>Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-24878767484648335812009-06-01T23:24:09.720+00:002009-06-01T23:24:09.720+00:00Darren is right here. After being right royally s...Darren is right here. After being right royally shafted by the FPTP system for decades it's like the LibDems have become hardened to it and determined to fight the dirtiest of the lot. It's like a bullied child who grows into a bully himself. <br /><br />And in this way a party with a long tradition of a principled stand on PR risks becoming a defender of the FPTP status quo. <br /><br />They have proved that there is a place for a third party in a system which evolved with only two parties ever in mind, but that place is for a vote squeezing party. And they are forced to pull out all the stops to strangle any emerging fourth party, who must try hard to return the compliment. <br /><br />It's a way of keeping yourself & your activists busy, but grown-up democracy it ain't.Strategisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519305659966338395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-86638600620585325082009-06-01T21:50:36.465+00:002009-06-01T21:50:36.465+00:00Joe, this is probably a stupid question but how do...Joe, this is probably a stupid question but how do you know how many were printed and not know who printed it?Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-21387057130153466162009-06-01T21:28:38.430+00:002009-06-01T21:28:38.430+00:00There was a lot of discussion on Lib-Dem blogs las...There was a lot of discussion on Lib-Dem blogs last year about why they so often massively underperform in PR elections. After they got splattered in the London Assembly elections a number of Lib-Dem activists recognised that although they have always supported PR, when it comes to actually fighting PR elections they are pretty damned crap at it. <br /><br />Lacking a strong identity and clear brand, they do best by pounding away year after year saying only Lib-dems can beat Labour/Tories (delete where applicable) here. That style of campaigning does not work across a region of several million people where a strong party brand and clear policies count for much more. Hence all these desperate attempts to fight PR regional elections as FPTP local elections, replete with dodgy bar charts.DarrenJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06553692431589974151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-36073975133134071792009-06-01T21:21:39.815+00:002009-06-01T21:21:39.815+00:00I think we're looking into who printed that leafle...I think we're looking into who printed that leaflet, because it wasn't the people responsible for the campaign. Luckily only 40 were printed.Joe Ottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380362092159905533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-87964595007994426612009-06-01T19:32:26.557+00:002009-06-01T19:32:26.557+00:00Go for it Joe :)
Hope this isn't a diversion but ...Go for it Joe :)<br /><br />Hope this isn't a diversion but did people this <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/8077101.stm" REL="nofollow">story</A> where a Lib Dem leaflet described an opponent as a "greasy haired twat"... you can't say it wasn't getting to the point I suppose!Jim Jeppshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17410387006098326671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-76927457664925601642009-06-01T16:05:21.952+00:002009-06-01T16:05:21.952+00:00I remember in Huddersfield - the year after we got...I remember in Huddersfield - the year after we got Jackie Grunsell elected to the council they came out with a leaflet showing 'last years results' with labour winning and them coming second!Leftwing Criminologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369810078697007763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-46393932341642346932009-06-01T11:54:18.735+00:002009-06-01T11:54:18.735+00:00Hmmm! In the last proportional representation elec...Hmmm! In the last proportional representation election(ie the London-wide member list for the London Assembly), Greens beat Lib Dems in Lewisham Central ward (which is 2 LD 1 Lab cllr). We got 16% (+1.4%) and they got 13.3% (-6.3%). The Lib Dem candidate Brian just pipped me to the post in the constituency vote for that ward, but we beat them overall across the entire Lewisham Deptford constituency in both the PR and FPTP. We beat them across the entire borough in the PR vote, but they got more than us in the FPTP vote. They seem to be better at campaigning in FPTP elections than PR ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-80924475435360735532009-06-01T10:17:02.885+00:002009-06-01T10:17:02.885+00:00I got fib-demmed against too, in the Springfield b...I got fib-demmed against too, in the Springfield by-election. They did some amazing graphical gerrymandering to imply they were the second placed party in the region.<br /><br />Someone needs to blog the leaflets alongside the actual results...Green Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00213685949038895130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-72510846787486645622009-06-01T09:27:09.098+00:002009-06-01T09:27:09.098+00:00Even when they're mocking themselves..<A HREF="http://www.twodoctors.org/2009/05/lib-dem-bar-charts-always-lie.html" REL="nofollow">Even when they're mocking themselves..</A>James Mackenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707473889170111139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-61526522388710263122009-06-01T03:11:11.358+00:002009-06-01T03:11:11.358+00:00...in the Eastern Region that is probably true.
B......in the Eastern Region that is probably true.<br /><br />But, actually, yes, I am pretty fed up with these bar charts myself.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Jim, can I quote your headline?Joe Ottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380362092159905533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30598467.post-70329845452109741212009-06-01T00:26:47.936+00:002009-06-01T00:26:47.936+00:00You really do get the best pictures on your blog, ...You really do get the best pictures on your blog, Jim! I've seen these Fib Dem leaflets around - one that had me gasping in disbelief was <a href="http://www.thestraightchoice.org/leaflet.php?q=342" rel="nofollow">this one from Eastern region</a>, which says "..there is no luxury of voting Green, it will only elect another Tory.. you don't have the luxury to vote Green this time".Rayyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08723300856636784177noreply@blogger.com